Well, I agree with your statement with one caveat. The dimwits he surrounded himself with were investors. (raising my hand) 20 years of lying is sufficient evidence for me. No customers. No orders. No systems running in the wild. We even went to the point of referring to tons of dilution as "toxic loans". No one vouching for for GC except investors hoping to recover a small portion of their investment if/when another sucker drives the price up to .001 cents. This turkey is done. Stick a fork in it. It is and always has been a scam. Tell me one time in the past 20 years that GC told the truth. . . . . We believed because we wanted it to be real. There maybe was a chance if the price of crude would go to $200.