I think have realistic standards, the company has no cash, no revenue, but a CEO who is still willing to put in the effort to turn it around. That is what we should want and require.

He's not out trying to get more convertible debt, and pump this, or RS it so he can get more CD notes and pump it. That's the biggest type of CEO to fear in a trip stock, and luckily Bill isn't that kind of guy.

So I'll stand by what I said. I want success, it won't come without effort. All I can ask for or demand at this point is effort. The success is something I can hope for, but only a fool would 'expect' success investing in a trip stock.