I hear ya there, but in his defense, the reason I'm still here is not because I believe in everything regarding ANDI, but simply because there's virtually no risk in holding at this point. I could salvage between 3 and 4k, depending on the price at the time, by dumping my position. Or, I can hold, knowing that even a halfway worthy pump could get me close to even money. Anything real materializes and suddenly I'm making money here again. I like those odds better than salvaging what's left and moving on. Having said that, every penny I spend down here in the sewer/OTC is viewed the same as going to the casino. It's gone as soon as it hits the table, and if I walk out ahead so much the better!