Once again Wrenchman, you are absolutely correct. What I have found works for me is I post something that is to the best of my knowledge solid and then when they attack it I simply do not respond. This drives these guys crazy, and it allows them no where to turn. I have heard they actually get chewed out by their market maker for not engaging with a poster who posts a contrary narrative to what they want posted. Their con simply does not work if no one plays along with their games. Also, when no one responds to them, I have seen far less negative posting and the manipulation appears to die off.