I have not given up. Who could afford to give up? Lol. I have paid the price of admission and will watch this all the way through the credits. Hope for some exciting out takes....Anything can happen, I'm disappointed in the likes of at least 1 of the mods here but such is life. The beauty about Karma is you don't have to bet on it. It's between the individual and the universe. You manipulated people, lied to benefit yourself? Whoever you are, It's between you and the world. It has been my experience that the world reacts unfavorably to such selfishness. As it should. I will other look forward to those persons Karma or wish it away for them.