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Posted On: 12/15/2017 1:38:24 AM
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You cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Stated by the CDC quite clearly, snarkily in contrast to your claim of knowledge of a single "renowned biologist" from a clinic. Anecdotal claims to the contrary are questionable. I took the flu shot this year and did not get the flu while my acquaintance did not take it and did get the flu. That carries just about as much weight as your anecdotal renowned biologist story. Believe what you want about this issue and take the shot or not yourself but stating that the flu shot can cause the flu is irresponsible in my opinion.
As I noted, I had not utilized these antifungals in a very long time and I simply misspoke about the drug name. We had very few choices at the time with the oral rinses commonly used (and often not highly effective) and none of the now approved oral lozenges were readily available to people so the vaginal troche (a very commonly used antifungal medication) was often employed for the purpose and was usually quite effective. Read this, it may help you understand the concept of the "highly effective oral rinse"-
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc4801147/
Think about it. How easy would it be to look up the specific drug information on the internet if I were being in any way deceitful. As you note, you did it. I simply misspoke. I will take that admitted mistake over actively claiming that flu shots can cause the flu, in direct contradiction to the CDC, any day. Nothing personal, you are simply wrong here and I point it out only so that people reading all of these posts will do their own DD and think for themselves.
Notice that I did not say that a lozenge or any other specific delivery method is preferred. Only that some other delivery method may prove to be more effective (yes, including lozenges but probably something more along the lines of Xylocaine Viscous). But I am smart enough not to claim to know that "swish and spit of an oral rinse is much easier on the patient than dissolving any lozenge". It may be but it may also not be. It is your opinion only. It may be correct but the patient involved might well disagree since swishing anything in their mouth is usually quite painful. In any event, swish and spit is the logical first step in the process but may not be the final delivery method. The only thing I would agree with you on here is the systemic absorption being lower for swish and spit. Certainly desirable in a drug trial but some level of systemic absorption may prove to be therapeutic.
Sorry to all readers if this has become tiring. It has for me. One of the hazards of the internet. Best wishes to all.
As I noted, I had not utilized these antifungals in a very long time and I simply misspoke about the drug name. We had very few choices at the time with the oral rinses commonly used (and often not highly effective) and none of the now approved oral lozenges were readily available to people so the vaginal troche (a very commonly used antifungal medication) was often employed for the purpose and was usually quite effective. Read this, it may help you understand the concept of the "highly effective oral rinse"-
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc4801147/
Think about it. How easy would it be to look up the specific drug information on the internet if I were being in any way deceitful. As you note, you did it. I simply misspoke. I will take that admitted mistake over actively claiming that flu shots can cause the flu, in direct contradiction to the CDC, any day. Nothing personal, you are simply wrong here and I point it out only so that people reading all of these posts will do their own DD and think for themselves.
Notice that I did not say that a lozenge or any other specific delivery method is preferred. Only that some other delivery method may prove to be more effective (yes, including lozenges but probably something more along the lines of Xylocaine Viscous). But I am smart enough not to claim to know that "swish and spit of an oral rinse is much easier on the patient than dissolving any lozenge". It may be but it may also not be. It is your opinion only. It may be correct but the patient involved might well disagree since swishing anything in their mouth is usually quite painful. In any event, swish and spit is the logical first step in the process but may not be the final delivery method. The only thing I would agree with you on here is the systemic absorption being lower for swish and spit. Certainly desirable in a drug trial but some level of systemic absorption may prove to be therapeutic.
Sorry to all readers if this has become tiring. It has for me. One of the hazards of the internet. Best wishes to all.
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