I'm fairly new to these boards but I see the animosity between the two as well as the stock bashing that goes on on ihub. I actually like this board more as it works better. Too bad ihub has a lot more traffic. I don't know about Clay Trader's collusion with shorts and you're the second person who said something since I posted that link. The other guy who was nice enough to inform me didn't call me trash and threaten me though. I liked his style much better.