To address your forth point, anybody that has been around for awhile knows the life cycle at IHUB. Most of us turned there to get info about NTEK. It was great with few naysayers, then the bashes became mods and it was all about defending our invetment to no avail. Then all longs left and came here and the bashers are left over there bashing and patting each other on the back. I agree that ANYONE that posts over there is adding legitimacy to that board. If it is only the bashers, then they just look like a bunch of D Bags which is what they are. There are a few Ntekers that still post, i say, just don't. If you respond to them then you are just giving them more momentum. I find this to be the most legitimate forum.