Very true. I will certainly reserve judgement until November 7. At such time if they open on the grays, so be it, then the story and frustration will change and I'm sure HJOE will be hearing from "burned" SH. Remember one thing though, as bleak as it seems, stocks do trade in the grays and do go up and down. Anything initial will be a hard move down, but anything following that on filings can recover the SP. Its a hard sell, I know, but the stocks do trade before they typically die out.