I agree I remember when they decided to go silent and it was a direct result of the bashing and all the threats made two convenience stores and anyone that would carry the product. But at that time all shareholders were banned and spread out through different boards they didn't realize the support that they really had. It wasn't until hangout came along that they finally realized how loyal shareholders really are. I believe you're right, if they put out any kind of guidance or statement from veal letting us know their plans or where we're headed I believe the PPS we start inching upward