I'm not sure how the discussion is being ruined? HJOE is in an obvious 13-15 range and there is very little to report on KBM until early next year. Since IHUB 1.0 continues to rehash very old news and delve into areas such as bar codes and zip codes it is relevant to discuss those things. Remember, those individuals are out to destroy the company and its shareholders for their gain. I'm not sure how this site can be related to that one? You're entitled to your opinion, but I do believe most SH who have and will be here until then end would disagree with your assessment.