Yes I agree but this is my point, no one knows anything even what they will do themselves, like you I've seen huge gains in my account and watched them disappear. You can't really speculate based on a ticker that's being promoted, APS supported their promo for several weeks, but everyone involved knew what's coming. I was never involved in these promos but watched from a distance. But like I said the bottom line is that we just don't know, as much as someone can try to look at this logically the market will prove you wrong,