Alan, you really don't get this do you! You have been trading for some time, right? Would you like me to pm you and explain it even further to you? This is not big board trading! Lol nobody in their right mind would short this at.004, 009 or what ever. Even penny's is not worth it! I hope you truly understand what goes into shorting a stock besides blowing it out on a message board day in and day out, as some way to make it look like you are being had by someone besides the company itself. It's all b.s.! Just sayin!