Joe, Paid Coates bashers seem to be in charge of the other site. You don't have to be a George flag waver to post here. Just post what you believe to be the truth. I have doubts. Everyone here has doubts but I'm here to get the facts without having to sift everything through a BS filter as you so eloquently described on the other site. If you get banned for posting your doubts then all of us are subject to being banned on a given day. There is some good due diligence that goes on here that you can't find anywhere else. I'm holding some shares that I paid too much for. I don't see much hope in recovering but there is a chance. Everyone who has succeeded in business struggled for at least 20 years and then they became an "Overnight Success". It can still happen.