You know what is funny... I am ready through this very length dismissal and realize there are words and sentences here that fit several manipulators form the other board. I actually recall some of the more "reputable" posters wording things errantly(this isn't a real word but sounds better), that match what Rosen is claiming the company said. This attack was in the works for a very long time! That leads me to believe my gut feeling is right about several mods(and x mods) and long term folks over there... like an epiphany!