And jack, I am not insinuating that you are a flipper or curmudgeonly. To each his/her own on trading style. All I am saying is this company can exist privately and their are PLENTY of folks looking to cash out lickety split should they file and this runs into the .002 range. If they file with toxic guys gone, I believe people will be kicking themselves in the ass when it passes copper within the month or so, post filing.