Winston if I'm not mistaking, I can recall at the time of the merger between Sirius and XM in the summer of 2008, the combine O/S was 3 billion shares and they had I believe debt of 1.2 billion dollars at the that time a combination of 19 million subscribers. Correct me if I'm wrong. Mel Karmazin was face with a huge challenge with the financial down fall 2008/2009