You must be angry or just get off on arguing. Only a liar would say they've never been way in the red when they're day trading pennies. I've seen the fails even with the stops set when volatility was extreme, and not only in my own accounts. Your just lucky if it hasn't happened to you, but I doubt it. You took your shot without even considering the type of account I was referencing. I said it before and I'll say it again, the tactics you refer to aren't rocket science and I use them all of the time in my ETRADE acct.(minus shorting), as I will in my Hewitt acct. once the trading restrictions are removed from this stock. That will occur soon enough. I'll respond no more to your comments on this subject. I stated my case and it's obvious that you chose to take only what you wanted from it so that you could extend the squabble, which was what you wanted to begin with.