Snakeclaw and All thank for updates - Sorry you didn't find loggman -was my bad - he wore a NORML tee -not orange but green - reread your post - yes log was pilot - chopper pilot in Nam - his chopper was just placed in Marines HOF in DC couple weeks ago with a placard with he and crews names - he called and updated me last eve - he added a piece I haven't read here yet - Jerry wants to have co Hemp farm in Colorado - that'll lower costs for sure rather than prolly importing hemp as farms in USA taking forever to get off ground and per log he said the switch to 16oz cans - besides vol - easier and prolly more cost effective as the slender 12 on cans are produced by less than 12 bottlers/ caners in USA.

His overall take - rock solid Co and will be adding a batch going forward