I have to agree with you wins, I usually don't get a positive long term "gut feel" for a pink sheet stock, so my activity on this board is actually a bit different than what I would do normally. I forget that even this board will have people who's faith is strained when down this far. It's just what some of those big guys you referred to want, so they can scoop up that many more shares. They just do it slowly so as not to push the price up til they're ready. I'm thinkin they might be just about ready, and when they are I'm thinking some big news is part of the trigger and that'll be really nice.