good post over there aj. kind of stuff we need. you notice they have no arguments so they are going back to certs which absolutely no one is concerned with right now except 3 or 4 posters on their board.. certs were pvec problem. dsus will make them right when the time is right. hope to see more posts like this from others also. I admit you have to quit directing posts right at somebody. have to word it around them if you know what i mean. takes a little more work.