There have been companies who have been attacked just as hard, if not more so than HJOE. SKTO and GRCU come to mind. Both now languish deep in the trips with little to no progress in business. Unfortunately many of these OTCS are simply share selling schemes and a company such as HJOE has some self inflicted wounds that need treatment and have given the paid bashers plenty of fodder. I don't know if HJOE is just another scheme, but they haven't been up front and have given the perception that they are. I have the sense that they want to fix it and make an honest go of it, but that is going to take a lot of work and some honest transparency and timeliness with their filings. At this point I am cautiously optimistic that they can make a go of it, but also know that these lingering problems can ruin them as it did SKTO, GTGP, PSPW, KMAG, GRCU and many many others I've been invested in. I still think HJOE has a run in it somewhere. It's all a matter if they get current and get serious about a product that, on the surface, seems to be catching on.