Shub blamed the "pony board" cause of one old post for pumping ... LOL ... there may be posted some more of that, so what?
IMO the guys here still act in tradition of the founders of the former cat-board whose one and only message was hostility against everything what NTEK did, does ... also its fans, supporters and believers ... everyone who is minimally positive is suspicious ...
If so, IMO every further discussion is vain and obsolete ... you can´t change or influence or convince obsessed people ... otherwise their existence as an institution of that "other-bashing" would be questionable ...
Dunno if you guys saw today how some guys sued me and called me a basher on the NTEK-board ... demonstrates how silly and abstruse the whole debate has become ...