Posted On: 04/13/2015 1:50:52 AM
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Re: PaperProphet #19160
Sorry for the delayed reply - I was still wondering why you linked an undated draft permit for JBI, instead of the actual one from the DEC website; whether or not you have contacted EcoNavigation and asked them the questions you are asking all of us about situations where a PTOI processor has value to an end user; and whether or not you reached out to the "thick skulls" at the American Chemistry Council to tell them that pyrolysis of waste plastic doesn't pencil out. Rational observers here would expect you to have answers to all these questions, in light of your posting history here.
Au contraire, mon frere - I am encouraging you to contact everyone I feel could benefit from your expertise in the economics of pyrolysis. Surely you can see that both parties cannot be right: one side claims that the value of inputs is greater than the value of outputs, believes that only $600 / ton plastic can be used in the process, clings to the notion that PTOI is built on lies, fraud, deception, and carrots, all without ever having been to the plant, or having looked inside. The other side presents a very different picture of the technology, has in fact visited the plant, and has years of experience in the fields of engineering, process valuation, industrial project management, and waste to energy solutions. These are, as you might say, somewhat crude but accurate representations of the opposing views battling for supremacy here.
You are quite fond of asking questions, but sidestep them when asked. You say that you are open to discussion, but accuse others of "fighting" when the conversation doesn't unfold on your terms. And when challenged, you predictably resort to name calling and insults. Everybody has their style.
I apologize if my questions overwhelmed you - that was truly not my intention. And, unlike you, I believe some of the questions have great relevance to PTOI's process. Let's make this very simple.
Call O'Brien & Gere this week, and ask them if they've been to the Niagara plant. Ask them if they can share with you what they saw there, and if what they saw had any economic value, actual or potential, to any end user.
Then call the Plastics To Oil Technology Alliance, and ask them the same question.
Very simple. And if you find out anything interesting or useful, I would be grateful if you posted it here, so that we can all be better informed.
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As I said, Faustus isn't interested in discussion, he just wants to fight me.
Au contraire, mon frere - I am encouraging you to contact everyone I feel could benefit from your expertise in the economics of pyrolysis. Surely you can see that both parties cannot be right: one side claims that the value of inputs is greater than the value of outputs, believes that only $600 / ton plastic can be used in the process, clings to the notion that PTOI is built on lies, fraud, deception, and carrots, all without ever having been to the plant, or having looked inside. The other side presents a very different picture of the technology, has in fact visited the plant, and has years of experience in the fields of engineering, process valuation, industrial project management, and waste to energy solutions. These are, as you might say, somewhat crude but accurate representations of the opposing views battling for supremacy here.
You are quite fond of asking questions, but sidestep them when asked. You say that you are open to discussion, but accuse others of "fighting" when the conversation doesn't unfold on your terms. And when challenged, you predictably resort to name calling and insults. Everybody has their style.
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Even if I answered each one to his satisfaction, he would hurl another dozen at me...then another dozen......and not one of those would ever be related to whether PTOI's pryrolysis is actually a useful process in any capacity.
I apologize if my questions overwhelmed you - that was truly not my intention. And, unlike you, I believe some of the questions have great relevance to PTOI's process. Let's make this very simple.
Call O'Brien & Gere this week, and ask them if they've been to the Niagara plant. Ask them if they can share with you what they saw there, and if what they saw had any economic value, actual or potential, to any end user.
Then call the Plastics To Oil Technology Alliance, and ask them the same question.
Very simple. And if you find out anything interesting or useful, I would be grateful if you posted it here, so that we can all be better informed.
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