One of them is just a JBII 'long' who just likes to hear the whine of his own voice. . .

I might remind 'stu_miller' that he said some pretty incredible chit in 2009 himself. I had the 'pleasure' of touring the plant with him after the AGM and I got the impression he was a 'wit of a banker' even in those days.

Time has proven that impression to be correct!