Bob, I know of neither point with any certainty, and the more I read here the less credibility I see in evidence, given the various exchanges occurring.

What I do know is, like it or not, the hand he's been dealt are his cards to play, regardless. There are no wild cards, discards, etc. There does appear to be a plethora of jokers, however. Plenty of CEO's have cleaned up others' messes, and they have delivered to their shareholders. So I stand by my statement... he owes us, good or bad.

I actually think we are on the same page, just coming at it from different angles. I hope we all eventually end up where we need to be.