That could be the answer Beliceno. It sounds like Pedro is now out of the picture (I don't see what he added anyway). I remember Pedro was supposed to have kilns and mills available, and contacts and distribution channels. All in all, this press release seems to indicate that there is some hope for Hollund. It might still be a very long time before they claw out of their hole, but some hope is better than nothing at all. Thanks again.