Posted On: 10/19/2014 9:39:54 AM
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"I took exception to his simple math because the assumptions were disingenuous. It is odd that, rather than admitting that there are a number of businesses that could use PTOI processors profitably, he ignores factual information and clings to his narrow view of PTOI's usefulness."
Your argument hinges on two things, that the plastic from those ads offering HDPE/LDPE/PP at below average rates is perfectly fine plastic...and that there's a benefit over the spot price of diesel if a company buying a PTOI processor can use all the fuel produced.
If there is a company which generates the needed HDPE/LDPE/PP in sufficient quantities but that plastic is too poor to recycle yet somehow fine for PTOI then I'll concede and you'll meet that hurdle. Such a case would fit outside my narrow view that anyone wanting sustainable quantities would need to pay the same price as everyone else.
And if somehow the output of the P2O processor was pure salable diesel or similarly expensive fuel and the company buying the processor and generating the plastic could use all of that fuel, I'll also concede that company could save $0.50/gallon in taxes. In those quantities fuel such as diesel would be wholesale anyway so I wouldn't agree they would save another $50/gallon off the retail pump price.
My math was based on general costs and prices. You added a bunch of hypothetical 'if's' which might defeat my argument...but in doing so PTOI has to look for a unicorn just so the case isn't theoretically impossible. I was highly generous in saying PTOI could turn plastic into salable diesel because the optimists wouldn't argue with such a optimistic scenario. I suppose another 'if' would be that the fuel produced would be some valuable new composition commanding double the price of diesel. That would also shatter my math.
Your argument hinges on two things, that the plastic from those ads offering HDPE/LDPE/PP at below average rates is perfectly fine plastic...and that there's a benefit over the spot price of diesel if a company buying a PTOI processor can use all the fuel produced.
If there is a company which generates the needed HDPE/LDPE/PP in sufficient quantities but that plastic is too poor to recycle yet somehow fine for PTOI then I'll concede and you'll meet that hurdle. Such a case would fit outside my narrow view that anyone wanting sustainable quantities would need to pay the same price as everyone else.
And if somehow the output of the P2O processor was pure salable diesel or similarly expensive fuel and the company buying the processor and generating the plastic could use all of that fuel, I'll also concede that company could save $0.50/gallon in taxes. In those quantities fuel such as diesel would be wholesale anyway so I wouldn't agree they would save another $50/gallon off the retail pump price.
My math was based on general costs and prices. You added a bunch of hypothetical 'if's' which might defeat my argument...but in doing so PTOI has to look for a unicorn just so the case isn't theoretically impossible. I was highly generous in saying PTOI could turn plastic into salable diesel because the optimists wouldn't argue with such a optimistic scenario. I suppose another 'if' would be that the fuel produced would be some valuable new composition commanding double the price of diesel. That would also shatter my math.
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Yes, I understand your penny stock also is the real deal, created with the inventiveness of Edison and destined to be the next Microsoft. Yes, I understand that the delays are also only because your company is making their product and/or technology even more revolutionary.
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