Agreed but I do think that all of the combined efforts of people like MVP, Miami, Fit, Stem, etc have an effect on the PPS.  Not saying we would be at 6-7 or something but I do think we'd probably have 3s on the bid at least if not for all of the negativity going on over there.  It pisses me off when people are messing with my money and thats the bottom line here.