Stephen.brewer, hard to disagree with you. I keep hearing good things from various sources, but none from himr. I would imagine if share buying took place, it should be over. So I can't use that as an excuse. Now if they are logging, what is to prevent them from just saying logging has begun and we will keep you updated on filling NorthCal's order and others. But we don't even hear from our wonderful new IR team, which seems to be as incompetent as before. You all know I'm here for the duration, but this is getting beyond ridiculous. We had a PR on June 30 saying himr had the green light to commence operations, but we don't know anymore than we did a year ago. HO-HUM.