Don't worry, I have no desire to engage Banks or anyone else that bashes MMTC. No one will get them to admit thier wrong. Thanks for the links. I also googled Bardot AOAC and a post from Klink came up saying everything about the Bardot that Cotton said about MMTC. It proves you can lie out your teeth about anything, just as long you don't rag on a poster. Ijunk sucks.