Big White dog, I don't think you are a lone voice in the wilderness. It is not all about belief, faith and a dream. Investing is about calculations, projections, data and facts. That is what I used to get into KMAG, but it has evolved into faith and belief in one man's word. Not good precepts for an investment, and KMAG has now become a speculation verging on a wild gamble. It is a shame because a base of staunch shareholders could've been developing. Now it is believers defending against bashers who's arguments, frankly, make more sense than any words comming from the company.