Thanks SunnyB but I don't want to feed the negativity. Complaining only feeds the ego's need for the secret payoff. We all know what goes on @ Liehub. there is little we can do to circumvent what is at hand. The best thing is simply not to participate. jeff is doing what needs to be done and his focus is on up listing, growing the business. Imagine if he got snagged up in all the "nonsense" as he calls it?