That's a very valid point g&l, and up until a couple of days ago, I had always practiced that, and have never spoken negative of a stock on any forum (past just asking questions if I was concerned.) I guess I had gotten to a point with PVEI where I didn't think it much mattered any longer, but in talking to Kahuna and some others, I realize that NOTHING is over till it's over. I do still have an investment here, so if there's any chance, I will sit back and be patient. I think the key here is that Jason has got to re-emerge if he's still part of the company, and the website has to go back online. Even if we're told nothing more than that, I think that those two things will restore a lot of confidence.