I believe better things for this board. When I left Ihub it was mainly because people were calling other people names. It was not a civil discourse between two parties putting forth an opinion and then giving reasons for their belief. We are heading in the same direction here. I have no idea what a poster has said on ihub. If, however, someone wants to keep reading posts there, then I ask, politely and respectfully, to post the comment from Ihub and the reasons you believe the conclusions are wrong. A famous man once told me, "Most people don't know how to think. Don't be one of them." Believing for lively, civil discourse, my best to all, Jim