Taber, You better watch out cause one of the big founders of this company is also a black belt at kick boxing I was told when I visited them a few weeks back...lol It may have been 2 of the employees that are black belts. I can not remember the name or names that I was given but I am sure they would answer you if you were to ask. They usually will anwser anything that they are able to I found out to my delight... This company is a hidden stick of dynomite that is going to explode big time in the near future. If not this month than for sure by next month ... IMHO I really hope that they hold off till next so I can dump another 100K that I would have by then into them.