i knew you would say that, and would have bet everything on it, because that is what my heart told me too, and you know what my heart is telling me now, is to make you and him a promise, one you know i will do anything, but break it, but here it is, I WILL ASK HER OUT NEXT TIME ARE EYES MEET, and if that means jumping in the pool so be it, it will happen, but will try to talk before she starts training, game on for birdys, thanks for the encouragement and push, like i say this is the toughest test for birdys, and i am ready to pass,