Remember these people are failures in the real world, The cant get out and create or add value to anything. They just try to steal money from people to make a living. Most are young, wih dilusions of granduer. Thinking they control the free market. They dont, and cant.  Nobody can.  KMAG has a value, We can argue about what it is, but we all agree this isnt it. We will see the stock price restored to reflect the value KMAG adds and in the end the free market will prevail....it always does.