All good Allbetson.  Embrace debate.  We can have good chats and disagree.  My intentions were not to bring down this stock.  I don't want to hurt my own cause.  I would never say that they are lying to the shareholders and I know that if they are saying it they believe it.  Agree or not though this wasn't a good year for Treaty as far as meeting their goals.  I only started accumulating in Feb so if they had hit their goals sooner I may have missed out on the last 50k shares I bought.  Glass half full.