Psythe333, have been told Frank VanVranken has a really big ego and really likes being the boss- probably one reason NorthCal will never go public. But that doesn't bother me in the least as long as he buys logs from himr. They haven't been quite as supportive over the last year as much as I thought they could, but they have some big money clients and could be a really big buyer for us. So he can make all the goofy youtubes he wants as long as he buys our logs.