I will have to do some back reading but I am not even sure the Ciao boxes were 4K? ( nuvolas necessarily ? )...I believe that is one of a few OEMs we may be making box innards for...They will re brand them...NTEK said early on they were more interested in Licensing and such so it may stand to reason we will be making boxes for the masses....Just have to see, but my Spidey sense is tingling...   (   :