This obsession with I-dud by you guys has really got me confused. You all seem hell bent on ousting PLUTO and ssallen. I-dud is for bashers in cahoots with I-dud admin. What could you possibly learn there that folks like Kgem, integracer, GM, noopners, dano, rdkl18, Texas,  Beliceno, Mrose, Mario, Stephen.brewer, spiceman, Foxcloud,starman2, Psythe33, HIMR*fan, Hightech, Snowman, scout, DougeTX Mr.Market, alj14, HCU_25, sdscoop, solaking and of course Hideyhope and jives, an sometimes Junebug couldn't tell you a lot more and be truthful. Man, this is the Hall of Fame of DDers and posters. I'm sure I left some out, old age ya know. Just curious.