Ya, I said Dave Lawerence and was thinking of the new clown in town. Yes, absolute hostility between I HUB and MMG. My point with that is if the shares that we see dumping on EVDR this morning has anything at all to do with retalitation for the KMAG trading suspension. Could be a ton of naked shorting going on right now. I for one don't believe that there near the amount of shares available at 5s that would be dumping into the bid at 4. The question is where are they coming from and why.