JB you are right we had a major set back this week with the promos. My comment in a post last night about proof HIMR really exists is what I believe it will take to turn those who have become skeptical back to true believers. Have I sold my shares - no  Do I believe in HIMR - yes. It's obvious that they are running a good month behind schedule. They thought road would be done in Dec. just got it done this week. We are probably looking at Feb before tree production will start. There are people on this board that I believe have had contact with HIMR and were told certain things were going to happen that have not. I am not one of those people, I have sent numerous emails with no responses so all I can do is speculate and state my opinions.