Tex, if you read my post on this board after I recently talked to Jason Novak in a conference call facilitated by GM, he disclosed that Hollund will have a TigerLynk working on this first concession early in 2014.  So while Hollund may have given up a lot just to get going, they still will make plenty.  I also know that some of the wood Hollund will recover in this first concession is worth much more than they revealed.  So in my opinion, look for good news early next year.  If you are betting on a R/S, you may be sadly mistaken.