I think so as well. When I spoke to IR I was grinding him about the conference call this month. he said they want to do the conference call after fins are released. At least that's what it sounded like to me. So I was like well you said the conference call was going to be first half of Oct. he said well if we hold the call on lets say for instance Oct 20th is that really life or death? So with that being said and again don't take this as bible, but if they plan on holding the call lets say anytime this month and they plan on releasing the fins prior to the call, well then that means fins this month.